OK, so now I have a question about the trinity as it relates to the crucifixtion...?
So a few of the answers I got to my last question stated that becuase this was the son of the Trinity, it made sense that he called out "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?"
But before Jesus came to earth in human form, he was a part of the trinity and omnipotent. Which means when he came to earth he already knew how it would end.
So again, WHY ask why he has forsaken himself?
- 1 decade agoFavorite Answer
Sorry this will be long but I've translated some of it for you:
And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?
Matthew 27:46, King James Version
Consider two translations from Aramaic, the language that Jesus probably spoke, that look also look at the root of the words cried out:
And about the ninth hour, Jesus cried out with a loud voice and said, Eli, Eli, lmana shabachthani! which means, My God, my God, for this I was kept!
Matthew 27:46, translated by George Lamsa
And about the ninth hour, Jesus cried with a loud voice and said, "God, God, why have you spared me?"
"Eli" means "my God." Lama, or lemana means "why" or "for what purpose" and always introduces a question. It occurs 53 times in the Aramaic-English Interlinear New Testament and it is translated "why" 45 times, "what" 5 times, and "for what purpose" 3 times. "Sabachthani" comes from sebaq meaning to leave, forgive, allow, reserve, or spare.
The Greek word translated forsaken, can mean to leave in the sense of forsaking and abandoning, or to leave in the sense of sparing or allowing to remain. The context determines the meaning.
The crux of this matter is: Was Jesus expressing self-pity? or was he giving us a greater message? To me the answer is clear... Jesus knew that he was being betrayed, and could have easily gone into hiding rather than being captured, but he did not. Rather than run or hide, Jesus went peacefully and lovingly into the hands of his captors knowing that he would be crucified. Jesus knew exactly what was happening. He knew of his impending death.
He could have escaped to avoid capture, but he did not run away. In fact, he stayed and even threw a big dinner party to celebrate the occasion. Clearly, Jesus chose to go along with whole plan, knowing full well that he was to be crucified. Does that sound like someone who would feel forsaken?
On the contrary, Jesus showed us that he would not be distracted from his ministry of Love where the greatest of principles is to rise above one's own self-centered concerns in order to "Love the Lord thy God with all thy heart..." (Luke 10:27).
- GLv 41 decade ago
In effect, Jesus was saying that He is the fulfillment of Psalm 22, a Psalm which the Jews had always seen as a Messianic Psalm. A quick glance at Psalm 22 will reveal that the fist words are "My God, My God, why has Thou forsaken Me?"
ALSO: Jesus was a man as well as God and Obviously it is quite possible to do something unpleasant voluntarily: One weighs the consequences and the results, and makes a decision, and even then can cry out from the hardship. The attitudes are not mutually exclusive. Would you die for your children?
- j.wisdomLv 61 decade ago
The Human side of Jesus had never had a total separation from God--To be the perfect sacrifice--God had to turn his back on the Son part of the God Head.
"And about the ninth hour there was a darkness over the face of the earth and the veil of the temple was rent in the midst." "God is light and in him is not darkness at all."
God was not present when the Sin of mankind was placed on Jesus the perfect sacrifice. When Jesus cried out the Earth was dark--God was out of contact with Jesus--Jesus had never been out of contact with the father--Jesus the man had to do the work of Salvation--but God had to be the perfect sacrifice--how did that happen--Jesus the son of God--yet God himself. The Trinity is the only thing that makes since.Source(s): em
- GuvoLv 41 decade ago
I believe we are made up of two parts - spirit and body. We are our spirit...it is our true self. Our body is the dwelling place that allows our spirit to exist on this physical world. The spiritual part has much more power and knowledge than the physical (body). However, the body has certain limitations on it that make it so the full extent of the spirit are not realized. I think this is why Jesus' spirit may have known how it would end, but his body may not have. He had to grow and learn things the same as everybody, so there was definately a barrier there between his divinity and his humanity.
Blessings in the Light of Christ!
~Embracing my Pangelism
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- Emiliano M.Lv 61 decade ago
For a moment there he carried the sins of the whole world in his back, and as he had sin he was separated from his Father. He had to be forsaken for a while and that was much more intense and awful than all the agony he had gone trough so far, and that must've been unbearable, that's why he screamed for God, even though he knew all that was going to happen already.
I'm no theologist though
Paz de Cristo
- Steve AmatoLv 61 decade ago
Jesus is simply quoting the first verse of Ps 22 which is a messianic psalm written by King David about 1000BC. If you read it you'll find many other things which happened during his crucifixion.
Jesus was simply pointing to himself as the Messiah.
"For the director of music. To the tune of "The Doe of the Morning." A psalm of David. My God, my God, why have you forsaken me? Why are you so far from saving me, so far from the words of my groaning?" Ps 22:1
- Mr. ELv 71 decade ago
Because when He came to earth He became a man in every way. He could not see beyond the grave when He was on earth. He only had the promises given in the bible just as we do today. The following text tells us this.
Since the children have flesh and blood, he too shared in their humanity so that by his death he might destroy him who holds the power of death—that is, the devil— and free those who all their lives were held in slavery by their fear of death. For surely it is not angels he helps, but Abraham's descendants. For this reason he had to be made like his brothers in every way, in order that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in service to God, and that he might make atonement for the sins of the people. Because he himself suffered when he was tempted, he is able to help those who are being tempted.
- Christian SinnerLv 71 decade ago
"But before Jesus came to earth in human form, he was a part of the trinity and omnipotent. Which means when he came to earth he already knew how it would end. "
No. Jesus is stated as "emptying himself to take on the form of a man. "
Except it's difficult to find that translation in English. Do you see a common thread in why you miss it?
- PLv 41 decade ago
Jesus is the Son of God. He was with God in the beginning, and He was God. The Son of God had a specific function to perform, namely to die for the world's sin so that man could be reconciled to God. For this function to be completed, He was made to be sin. Refer to 2 Corinthians 5:20-21. He was made to be a curse for us. Refer to Galatians 3:13. That is why the forsaking had to be done. God, the Father, and God, the Holy Spirit, had to forsake Jesus at that time because he took our sins upon himself and allowed himself to be the sacrifice for our sins. God cannot abide sin. He had to separate Himself from it. His Son was sin when he hung on the cross. Mercy was not given to Jesus as he died for us. Yet because of His sacrifice, we can have God's mercy.
Now, I am not going to pretend I fully understand it all. I don't. And as I consider it all, I see what a sacrifice it was for the Godhead to provide a way of salvation. But as you read the Old Testament and New Testament, you see that only through blood sacrifice can there be remission of sin. Jesus became that sacrifice so that true remission of sin could be for real.
You know, you start out the Christian walk by faith in Jesus Christ. And you will never, on this earth, know the answers to every question you have. But I have learned that as you walk in faith, and act in obedience on God's Word, that He shows Himself to you, not physically, but in an undeniable way. I can't convince you. Only God can do that. I pray that He does. If you are asking these questions from a truly seeking heart, God will honor that. And your question, by the way, is a legitimate question. I can tell you are thinking. Your question made me think. Thanks.Source(s): The Bible; King James Version
- Anonymous1 decade ago
No, he was a son of God (John 3:16) so he was an angel in fact the first angel that is why he is called the firstborn of God not because he born from Mary as a firstson (He was the firstson of Mary) but not the firstson of God in earth, the firstson of God in earth was Adam (Luke 3:38) he was the firstson he had in heaven. (Colossians 1:15-17 and Revelation 3:14 and Micah 5:1-2)
After having his firstson in heaven the rest of the sons came throught the first one that is what the bible says in colossians 1:15-17.
the firstson (he has a personal name but i will reserve it) was a helper of God almighty in the creation according to Proverbs 8:22-30.
You will see how many thumbs down I will recieve but I am quoting not from myself but from the bible.
By the way Jesus knew absolutly everything about his "mission" his date of death , of resurrection , departure to heaven , etc ,etc cause that was written in