If the Pope is infallible how can they change their minds from one to the next?

Does God like the policy changes?

Didn't the Pope in the 1930s and 40s support Hitler?

Update:

@ serf no i won't - I am asking on YA, but i will read the link now that one is provided. I hops it's not full of rationalizations and double speak

Update 2:

@pastor - I was asking a question retard and like most Xtians you couldn't come up with a single intelligent thing to say - if you are right then you should have offered some info that actually had to do with the question, but you cant since you have nothing intelligent to say. and I am pretty sure that they (vatican) showed some kind of support whether geniune or by necessity. and BTW Hitler was christian (actually I think he was catholic but not sure)

Update 3:

Thanks Ishtar and Smyth - both decent answers

Update 4:

@ serf - this is the last time i bother with you. I was asking a freaking question about infallibility of the pope - thats it, thats all........... I didnt know what infallibity entailed, i know it sounds odd with the track record the catholics have in SO many areas. You calling me sophmoric is lame and it doesnt apply

Oh and if you look at the guy I was insulting (unlike the 2 other guys i thanked) you will see he has a link to the KKK on his site

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  • 1 decade ago
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    The Catholic Church teaches that the Pope is infallible at closely defined times.

    This miracle only happens when the Pope, in union with the body of bishops, solemnly teaches that a doctrine as true. This is called "ex cathedra", literally meaning in Latin "from the chair".

    This comes from the words of Jesus to Peter (the first Pope) and the Apostles (the first bishops), "Whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven" (Matthew 18:18) and "He who hears you hears me" (Luke 10:16).

    At all other times the Pope can be just as wrong or sinful as you and me and be in need of forgiveness.

    For more information, see the Catechism of the Catholic Church, section 891: http://www.usccb.org/catechism/text/pt1sect2chpt3a...

    + The Myth of Hitler's Pope +

    "Pius XII? This is the only human being who has always contradicted me and who has never obeyed me." Adolf Hitler --- from Hans Jansen's The Silent Pope? (2000)

    In October 1958 in front of the United Nations General Assembly, Golda Meir, the Prime Minister of Israel, said of Pope Pius XII at his death :

    ''During the 10 years of Nazi terror, when our people went through the horrors of martyrdom, the Pope raised his voice to condemn the persecutors and commiserate with their victims.''

    Some of the Jewish organizations that praised Pope Pius XII at the time of his death for saving Jewish lives during the horror of the Nazi Holocaust were:

    + The World Jewish Congress

    + The American Jewish Committee

    + The American Jewish Congress

    + The Anti-Defamation League

    + The Central Conference of American Rabbis

    + The National Conference of Christians and Jews

    + The National Council of Jewish Women.

    + The New York Board of Rabbis

    + The Rabbinical Council of America

    + The Synagogue Council of America

    No serious scholar contests the evidence that Pius XII took direct and indirect measures to save Jews from the Nazi death machine.

    At the start of World War II, Pope Pius XII’s first encyclical was so anti-Hitler that the Royal Air Force and the French air force dropped 88,000 copies of it over Germany. Here is a link to the Summi Pontificatus: Encyclical of Pope Pius XII on the Unity of Human Society, October 20, 1939: http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/pius_xii/encycli...

    Unfortunately the Soviet Union and others had been trying to convince the world that the Catholic Church was pro-Nazi since the death of Pope Pius in 1958. Here are some sources:

    + The KGB made corrupting the Church a priority: http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=YTUzYmJhMGQ5Y...

    + The KGB campaign against Pius XII: http://www.the-tidings.com/2007/021607/difference....

    + Pius XII and the Jews: http://web.archive.org/web/20010919100700/http://w...

    See also "The Myth of Hitler’s Pope: How Pope Pius XII Rescued Jews From the Nazis" by Rabbi David G. Dalin which has compiled further overwhelming proof of Pope Pius XII"s friendship for the Jews beginning long before he became pope.

    "Only the Church stood squarely across the path of Hitler's campaign for suppressing truth. I never had any special interest in the Church before, but now I feel a great affection and admiration because the Church alone has had the courage and persistence to stand for intellectual truth and moral freedom. I am forced thus to confess that what I once despised I now praise unreservedly. "

    - Albert Einstein, Time Magazine, December 23, 1940 http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,7...

    See also:

    + The Holy See vs. the Third Reich by Ronald J. Rychlak http://soli.inav.net/~jfischer/oct98/ronaldrychlak...

    + Jewish Historian Praises Pius XII's Wartime Conduct by Michael Tagliacozzo http://academics.smcvt.edu/pcouture/jewish_histori...

    + Did Pius XII Remain Silent? by Fr William Saunders http://catholiceducation.org/articles/religion/re0...

    + Pius XII and the Jews: The War Years, as reported by the New York Times by by Rev. Msgr. Stephen M. DiGiovanni, H.E.D. http://www.catholicleague.org/pius/piusnyt/bio.htm

    With love in Christ.

  • Smyth
    Lv 5
    1 decade ago

    It repenteth me that I have set up Saul to be king: for he is turned back from following me, and hath not performed my commandments. And it grieved Samuel; and he cried unto the Lord all night. (1 Samual 15:11)

    You may also recall the story of a Jewish king who was told when he was going to die, but after pleading with the Lord he was granted ten more years. God does not change his mind, but when people choose to do certain things, sometimes God alters his commands accordingly.

    Also, the Pope did not support Hitler. In order to avoid becoming a puppet church, the Vatican had to live under the laws and dictates of the Axis powers. Watch a movie called The Scarlet and the Black. It's based on the true story of a Vatican priest who used his status as a diplomat to help those fighting against the Axis during WWII.

  • Ishtar
    Lv 7
    1 decade ago

    The pope is only believed to be infallible on matters of doctrine, and they don't do that very often, generally. On political matters like whether to support the Nazis, the pope is as fallible as anyone else.

  • Anonymous
    1 decade ago

    If you want to criticize papal infallability, that's all well and good. Do me a favor though, read about and understand the doctrine first.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papal_infallibility

    Edit: Okay, if you don't want to learn and just want an answer: papal infallability does not preclude policy changes and support of any political leader would not constitute infallible doctrine of the church.

    When you ridicule Christians for being unintelligent but don't even have a basic understanding of the things you are making fun of, you look like a sophomoric idiot.

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  • No the pope didn't support Hitler that was the Protestants in Germany In fact the RAF dropped thousands of leaflets from their bombers with a Little letter from the Pope denigrating Hitler and his Protestant Third Reich .. Germany was then as it is now a (95% protestant country) home of the reformation remember,,,,By they way your an ignorant ignoramus

  • Anonymous
    1 decade ago

    Being infallible means never having to explain or apologise.

  • 1 decade ago

    The logical answer is the pope is NOT infallible.

  • 1 decade ago

    Where does it say the pope is infallible?

  • Anonymous
    1 decade ago

    Turns out that Popes are just as confused by God's lack of communication as everyone else.

  • Kate
    Lv 5
    1 decade ago

    Sigh.

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