Why do people not believe there is HISTORICAL evidence that Christ lived?
My question is not whether you believe in Christianity or not, rather why people are so simple they think there is "no historical evidence" that Jesus ever existed??? This btw is directly referenced at the user name "Going ftw"
In Caesar Augusts' (Who was Octavian) memoirs, who mind you was THE emperor of pagan Rome at the time of Christ's persecution stated that "There is a Jew in Judea calling himself the Son of The One True God"
NOW you simple minded retawd. I see you have never read ANY memoir, obviously not the one entitled "Let The Emperor Speak" written by Octavian who is single handedly considered the greatest emperor of all Roman history. Who followed Julius, defeated Antony, captured Cleopatra, bound her in chains and would have dragged her into Rome as a spectacle had she not chosensuicided (As was noble)
I see you also fail to realize that this same pagan who recognized Christ as a person and signed his execution order was also the first Roman emperor of all time to be recognized as Supreme Dictator, where the term Potus loosely comes from.
But go ahead and rationalize yougarbagee scholar you.
- moralorel79Lv 67 years agoFavorite Answer
What many atheists say is "There is no Roman record of Jesus".
They ignore the following points:
1. There are no Roman records laying around from that time period of commoners. Jesus was a commoner so it would be doubtful that any record would exist anyway. Not one atheist has provided any records from Rome of that time period that included commoners.
2. There ARE Roman writings of Jesus. The reason why some atheists dismiss them? Because they were written after Jesus died. But if we use that logic, then any documentary or book mentioning Abraham Lincoln should be also dismissed as long as it was written after he died.
3. The majority of historians, religious or not, believe he existed. Not all believe he was supernatural.
4. Not only does Richard Dawkins believe that Jesus existed, but he even supports a group called "Atheists for Jesus". It isn't a religion. It is just a group of atheists who believe that Jesus was a great role model and that if he existed today, he most likely would find today's atheists more rational than today's Christians.
5. The part of Rome where Jesus lived was only recently conquered by the Romans and was still unorganized. Once again, records of any commoner most likely would never exist.
6. Jesus didn't become famous until after his death. It would be illogical for there to be Roman record of him before his death. Do atheists really think that the emperor of Rome would write about a random commoner? The few atheists who claim that Jesus was famous before death obviously didn't read the Bible.
edit: Titus, Josephus, the Talmud, Mara, Suetonius, and many more prominent sources mention Jesus.
- WilliamLv 77 years ago
As someone who knows a lot about Roman history, I can tell you that the info you have is pure BS.
You are getting your Caesar's confused.
Julius was a dictator for life and Octavian was Rome's first emperor. Julius dealt with Marc Anthony and Cleopatra. Octavian had nothing to do either of them. He would not even have been a teenager when they died.
Octavian Augustus died in 14 AD. Jesus did not even begin his alleged ministry until 30 AD
Even with the reconstruction of the calendar, Jesus would have been preaching as early as 26 AD which was not during Octavian's lifetime. That alone tells you that Octavian NEVER even heard of Jesus.
Your info and comments are historically inaccurate.
- MikeLv 77 years ago
Another bad religion. You're not going to convince any of the militant atheist here. Most of them know there's a God. Which is why they're so militant in the first place.
Their position is not one of the mind ( Lack of evidence or convincing argument ) But rather one of the heart. (They don't want to believe, are committed to their unbelief, and wouldn't admit it if they did )
I've had atheists openly admit to me they wouldn't bow down to God even if they knew he existed. If that doesn't tell you a whole lot about them. Nothing will. Their position is more about wanting to live their life their own sinful way, and a God who judges their sin does''t jive with that.
- botekLv 44 years ago
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- godlessLv 77 years ago
Augustus Caesar died in 14 CE, so he could not have written or heard anything about Jesus.
Short answer: The evidence shows that Jesus is just a mythical character and never existed.
For Jesus-believers, here's the long answer (with evidence), which is needed to cover all bases:
All reliable evidence points to Jesus Christ being just a myth. There is no reliable evidence that Jesus even existed, and significant evidence that he didn't. The evidence is in the Bible, the other religions of the time, and the lack of writings about Jesus by historians of the time.
The story of Jesus can be shown to be just a myth created to fulfill prophesy, cobbled together out of stories from the Old Testament and previous gods and myths -- created in the 40's and 50's by Paul of Tarsus (who exhibited symptoms of epilepsy and had delusions of Christ talking to him), the other apostles, the unknown authors of the gospels in the 70's or later, and many other people. The reliable evidence for this is overwhelming.
Paul and the other epistle writers don't know any biographical details of Jesus' life, or even the time of his earthly existence. They don't refer to Bethlehem, Nazareth, Galilee, Calvary or Golgotha — or any pilgrimages to what should have been holy sites of Jesus' life. They also don't mention any miracles that Jesus was supposed to have worked, his virgin birth, his trial, the empty tomb, or his moral teachings. To them Jesus was largely a sky-god, who existed in the spiritual past.
If Jesus had actually existed, Paul would have written about his life, disciples, and teachings. Paul did not write about any of this. Note that to Paul, Peter was another (competing) epistle writer. Paul referred to James as the Lord's brother, not Jesus' brother. This is much like people of a religion who refer to each other as brothers. Paul wrote (in Romans 16:25-26, Galatians 1:11,12) that he knew Jesus through revelation, which is another term for fantasy and delusions. We can also tell that people were accusing Paul of lying, because he attempted to defend himself in Romans 3:5-8.
If Jesus had actually existed, the gospels would have been written in first person format. Instead, they were written in third person fiction format like a Harry Potter story, with Matthew and Luke extensively plagiarizing from Mark. The gospels don't even claim to be eyewitness accounts, and were written in Greek - which the disciples would not have known. In fact, there are no claimed eyewitness or contemporary accounts of Jesus - anywhere. All we have are hearsay witnesses.
If the Jesus story were true, his trial would have been legal. Instead, the purported trial was illegitimate under both Roman and Jewish law. The story of the trial is just a re-telling of the Jewish ritual of scapegoating, where one goat is set free (i.e. Barabbas, which means "son of the father") and one goat is sacrificed (i.e. Jesus). In addition, many scholars have pointed out that the entire crucifixion scene is created out of material extracted from the Psalms.
If Jesus had actually existed, at least one of the approximately 30 local historians of the first century would have written about him. No historian of the first century (including Josephus and Philo of Alexandria) wrote about him or his disciples.
Therefore Jesus didn't exist.
The Jesus story also shows extensive similarities to other myths of the time (especially Horus, Mithra, Osiris, and Dionysus). For instance, baptism into the death and resurrection of Osiris washed away sins so the soul could obtain the best place in heaven. Some early Christians attributed these similarities to Satan who went back in time and created the religions that "copied" Christianity.
Jesus is worshiped on Sunday because he is a sun god, like over a dozen others whose birthdays were also on the old winter solstice of December 25, when the sun is “reborn.”
There were also over a dozen other deities and saviors who were resurrected (often after violent deaths). Christianity just told the story the best, and managed to get control of the government under Constantine.
For much more evidence, see the links. There are also several good books on this, including:
"Nailed: Ten Christian Myths that Show Jesus Never Existed At All"
by David Fitzgerald
"The Jesus Puzzle" by Earl Doherty
"Not the Impossible Faith" by Richard Carrier
And if anybody still thinks that Jesus actually existed, please send the information on the reliable evidence supporting this position (not just somebody's opinion).
-Source(s): http://www.godlessgeeks.com/JesusExist.htm http://www.atheismresource.com/2010/jesus-never-ex... http://freethoughtblogs.com/wwjtd/2012/01/19/will-... http://www.stellarhousepublishing.com/originsofchr... http://ffrf.org/legacy/about/bybarker/rise.php http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/source.html http://www.godlessgeeks.com/WhyAtheism.htm http://nobeliefs.com/exist.htm http://nobeliefs.com/Ehrman2.htm http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/archives/1026
- geessewereaboveLv 77 years ago
It takes one to know one!
There is tons of proof confirming the Bible over and over!
It is laziness that others want to lean to/for. They do Not want to study and practice and learn truth.
Just like yourself. For the Bible teaches that "Anyone with Any Hate in them are followers of the devil." - You. And you have been Too lazy to read the Bible and see the evil language you are using and and the nastiness you are using to others are Sinful of You!
You/This drives people away from God!
You need to learn to Love All the Time! Zero hate permitted in us!Source(s): Bible
- AmShaegarLv 57 years ago
Many people in the past have had the name Jesus. NONE of them where the son of god or did miracles.