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Anonymous asked in Society & CultureReligion & Spirituality · 5 years ago

For Baptists, Jehovah Witnesses and others, does Israel still represent the chosen nation of God, or not?

How long is "for ever"?

[2 Chronicles 33:7] 7 "...and he set the graven image of the idol, which he had made, in the house of God, of which God said to David and to Solomon his son, In this house, and in Jerusalem, which I have chosen out of all the tribes of Israel, WILL I PUT MY NAME FOR EVER:.."

Where was this "...house of God, of which God said to David and to Solomon his son, "In this house, and in Jerusalem,"...?

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  • CF
    Lv 7
    5 years ago
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    No. "God´s chosen nation" is a spiritual nation; it is the Israel of God. They come from all languages, tribes, and nations.

    Modern Israel is governed as a secular democracy that officially makes no claim to rely on the God of the Bible. Did the Israelis in 1948 recognize Jehovah God as the one responsible for their declaration of statehood? They did not. Neither the name of God nor even the word “God” was mentioned anywhere in the original text of the proclamation. The book Great Moments in Jewish History says this of the final text: “Even at 1:00 P.M. when the National Council met, its members could not agree about the wording of the proclamation of statehood. . . . Observant Jews wanted a reference to ‘the God of Israel.’ Secularists balked. Compromising, Ben-Gurion decided that the word ‘Rock’ would appear instead of ‘God.’”

    The modern State of Israel to this day bases its claim to statehood on a UN resolution and what it calls the natural and historic right of the Jewish people. Is it reasonable to expect that the God of the Bible would perform the greatest prophetic miracle in the 20th century in behalf of a people who refuse to give him credit?

    In the year 33 C.E., the fleshly nation of Israel lost its claim to be God’s chosen nation when it rejected Jehovah’s Son, the Messiah. The Messiah himself put it this way: “Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the killer of the prophets and stoner of those sent forth to her . . . Look! Your house is abandoned to you.” (Matthew 23:37, 38) Jesus’ statement came true when in 70 C.E., Roman legions destroyed Jerusalem along with its temple and priesthood. But what was to become of God’s purpose to have a “special property out of all other peoples, . . . a kingdom of priests and a holy nation”?—Exodus 19:5, 6.

    The apostle Peter, himself a fleshly Jew, answered that question in a letter written to Christians—both Gentile and Jewish. He wrote: “You are ‘a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for special possession,’ . . . for you were once not a people, but are now God’s people; you were those who had not been shown mercy, but are now those who have been shown mercy.”—1 Peter 2:7-10.

    Christians who were selected by holy spirit thus belong to a spiritual nation, their membership not being determined by birth or geographic location. The apostle Paul described the matter this way: “Neither is circumcision anything nor is uncircumcision, but a new creation is something. And all those who will walk orderly by this rule of conduct, upon them be peace and mercy, even upon the Israel of God.”—Galatians 6:15, 16.

    Whereas the modern nation of Israel offers to confer citizenship upon any natural or converted Jew, citizenship in what the Bible calls “the Israel of God” is given only to those who are “obedient and sprinkled with the blood of Jesus Christ.” (1 Peter 1:1, 2) Speaking of these members of the Israel of God, or spiritual Jews, Paul wrote: “He is not a Jew who is one on the outside, nor is circumcision that which is on the outside upon the flesh. But he is a Jew who is one on the inside, and his circumcision is that of the heart by spirit, and not by a written code. The praise of that one comes, not from men, but from God.”—Romans 2:28, 29.

    That verse helps us understand a controversial comment Paul made. In his letter to the Romans, Paul explained how the unbelieving natural Jews were like branches of a symbolic olive tree that were lopped off so that “wild” Gentile “branches” could be grafted in. (Romans 11:17-21) Concluding this illustration, he states: “A dulling of sensibilities has happened in part to Israel until the full number of people of the nations has come in, and in this manner all Israel will be saved.” (Romans 11:25, 26) Was Paul foretelling an eleventh hour mass conversion of the Jews to Christianity? Clearly, no such conversion has taken place.

    By the expression “all Israel,” Paul meant all of spiritual Israel—Christians who have been selected by holy spirit. He was saying that the failure of the natural Jews to accept the Messiah would not thwart God’s purpose to have a spiritual ‘olive tree’ full of productive branches. This is in harmony with Jesus’ own illustration of himself as a vine whose nonproductive branches will be lopped off. Jesus said: “I am the true vine, and my Father is the cultivator. Every branch in me not bearing fruit he takes away, and every one bearing fruit he cleans, that it may bear more fruit.”—John 15:1, 2.

    Although the establishment of the modern State of Israel was not foretold in the Bible, the establishment of the nation of spiritual Israel certainly was! If you identify and associate with that spiritual nation today, you will reap eternal blessings.—Genesis 22:15-18; Galatians 3:8, 9.

    • CF
      Lv 7
      5 years agoReport

      1 Tim 6:15-16
      He is the King of those who rule as kings and Lord of those who rule as lords, 16 the one alone having immortality, who dwells in unapproachable light, whom no man has seen or can see. To him be honor and eternal might. Amen.

  • 5 years ago

    I don't know if the modern-day nation of Israel is a nation established by God. It fits many of the promises made to the Jewish people in the Old Testament...but it is also a rather ungodly nation, the sort of nation that God promised he would punish, one that to a large extent does not consist of devout Jewish people (a lot of the people living there are not devoutly religious). For example: one can look at Tel Aviv, which bills itself as the homosexual capital of the World!

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tel_Aviv#LGBT_culture

    This despite the fate of Sodom and Gomorrah in the Jewish Scriptures.

    So: I don't know if the modern nation of Israel is or is not a fulfillment of the promise of God to the Jewish people.

    The "house of God", the Jewish Temple, formerly stood on the Temple Mount. The Temple Mount currently is under Muslim control and some of the most holy and ancient religious buildings in Islam lie upon it. For the temple to be rebuilt, several things must physically change...but most significantly, the Muslim buildings on the Temple Mount must be razed. The government of Israel is not prepared to do this, as it would likely lead to a concerted attack from ALL Muslim nations - and that would be extremely expensive (in money, property and Israeli lives) even assuming that Israel could successfully defend itself against such an attack. Probably the Israeli government has no plans to do such a thing - though if the situation changed and the opportunity presented itself, I'm sure they would rebuild the Jewish Temple ASAP.

    • Lv 7
      5 years agoReport

      "The Temple Mount currently is under Muslim control..." - one form of "..the abominable thing that causes desolation.." spoken by Daniel. The real one will still come. Yeshua has not yet "come". When He does, Draco will explode, the Earth WILL SEE IT "..and New Heavens.." will be accomplished.

  • Moi
    Lv 7
    5 years ago

    The "nation" of Israel - why no of course not. In 70 AD God sent the Roman armies against Jerusalem and the temple and they utterly destroyed them both. God had given Israel a 490 year "probation period" to get things right (Daniel 9). Christs appearance marked the end of that probation and Israel crucified the Son of God.

    Today, God's chose people are his Christians whether Jew or Gentile. He has no favoured nations and says so

    Act 10:34 ¶ Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:

    Act 10:35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.

    Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

    Rom 10:12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.

    Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

    • Lv 7
      5 years agoReport

      What you quoted it is Truth. "8 When the Most High DIVIDED THE NATIONS, when he separated the sons of Adam, he set the bounds of the nations ACCORDING TO THE NUMBER OF THE ANGELS OF GOD." The Text says that He chose for Himself - of all these physical nations in the World - One, Israel. It still is.

  • Kjw47
    Lv 6
    5 years ago

    Matt 23:37,38--clearly shows the Israelites are cut off of being Gods chosen ones--a new religion started back in Jesus day--but died along with all Apostles and Christians being murdered. the great apostasy rose up, until these last days--1 group came along and corrected the false teachings of the last 1750 years or so to fulfill this-Daniel 12:4) -- truth is now abundant--but the world still hates truth thus they are rejecting it just like in Jesus day.

    • Kjw47
      Lv 6
      5 years agoReport

      God did leave the door open to the Israelites as well as all--they must accept Jesus as the Messiah--over 2000 years--they still refuse. Those whjo do accept him--leave that religion. Just like-Jesus, Paul and all them back then did.

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  • 5 years ago

    The idea of a dysfunctional speck of dust on a speck of dust amongst the seemingly infinite cosmos being the universes chosen land and one group of people being the chosen people is laughable to me.

    • Lv 7
      5 years agoReport

      "...for He considers the nations as the dust that collects on the scales of weight, says Jehovah..." How interesting you mentioned "..a speck of dust..". So appropriate, indeed.

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