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Anonymous asked in Society & CultureReligion & Spirituality · 2 years ago

John 15:27 how will Trinitarians flip this now in respect to their favorite Gen 1:26 and John 1:1? Will they attempt to contextualize it?

They put every truth into context while every other verse that gives breath to the Trinity stands alone.

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  • TeeM
    Lv 7
    2 years ago
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    Trinitarian: noun

    a person who believes in the doctrine of the Trinity.

    I agree the idea and the teaching of the trinity are not found in the Bible.

    They are the teachings of Satan and his disciples.

    But the terms do apply to all those who claim 'Jesus is God'.

    Heaven didn't reveal to Peter that Jesus was God, because Jesus isn't God, but God's Son.

    (John 15:27) “27 and you, in turn, are to bear witness, because you have been with me from the beginning.”

    It can truly be said about trinitarians:

    (John 15:21) “21 But they will do all these things against you on account of my name, because they do not know the One who sent me. . .”

    They do not know the One who sent Jesus, the only true God (John 17:3)

    They like the Sumerians worship what they do not know (John 4:22)

    And yes it is true that in order to find scriptures that 'hint' at a trinity a person must:

    1. Take scripture out of context

    2. Mistranslate scripture

    3. Add words to scripture

    4. Change the meaning of 'bible words'

    .

  • 2 years ago

    Perhaps the question poser, teem and their other JW colleagues would like to consider the following scriptures. All in context, not ‘flipped’ and none of them ‘stood alone’.

    Jehovah knows “all things.” (1 John 3:20; Psalm 147:5) Jesus knows “all things.” (John 16:30)

    Jehovah is the only one who knows the hearts of all men. (1 Kings 8:39; Jeremiah 17:9-10) Jesus knows the hearts of all men. (John 2:24-25; Rev. 2:18, 23)

    Jehovah is our sanctifier. (Exodus 31:13) Jesus sanctifies us. (Hebrews 10:10)

    Jehovah is our peace. (Judges 6:23) Jesus is our peace. (Ephesians 2:14)

    Jehovah is our righteousness. (Jeremiah 23:6) Jesus is our righteousness. ( 1 Corinthians 1:30)

    Jehovah is our healer. (Exodus 15:26) Jesus heals us. (Acts 9:34)

    Jehovah God dwells in us. (2 Corinthians 6:16) Jesus is in us (Romans 8:10).

    Jehovah is the giver of life who will not allow His people to be “snatched” out of His hand. (Deuteronomy 32:39) Jesus is the giver of life who will not allow His people to be “snatched” out of His hand. (John 10:28)

    Jehovah’s voice is “like the roar of rushing waters.” (Ezekiel 43:2) Jesus’ “voice was like the sound of rushing waters.” (Revelation 1:15)

    Jehovah is present everywhere. (Proverbs 15:3; Jeremiah 23:24; I Kings 8:27) Jesus is omnipresent. (John 1:48; Matthew 18:20; 28:20)

    Jehovah’s nature does not change. (Malachi 3:6) Jesus’ nature does not change. (Hebrews 13:8)

    Jehovah is the only God we are to “serve.” (2 Kings 17:35) Jesus is to be served. (Col. 3:24)

    Jehovah is the only God to be “worshipped.” (Exodus 34:14) Jesus receives the same honour and “worship” that the Father receives. (John 5:23; Revelation 5:11-14 compare with Revelation 4:10-11) 8. No angel can receive “worship.” (Revelation 22:8-9)

    Jehovah’s glory is not to be given to another. (Isaiah 42:8) Jesus shares Jehovah’s glory. (John. 17:5)

    Jehovah is the only God to be mentioned in prayer. (Exodus 23:13) Christians are to pray to Jesus. (John 14:14)

    Calling upon Jehovah (Joel 2:32) is the same as calling upon Jesus. (Acts 2:21; Romans 10:9-13).

    Jehovah “the true God” is called “eternal life.” (1 John 5:20) Jesus is called “the eternal life.” (1 John 1:2)

    Jehovah is the “mighty God.” (Jeremiah 32:17-18; Isaiah 10:20-21) Jesus is the “mighty God” (Isaiah 9:6) who is “Almighty.” (Revelation 1:7-8) THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD. (1 Timothy 1:17; Isaiah 44:8)

    Jehovah is an “everlasting light.” (Psalm 27:1; Isaiah 60:19-20) Jesus is the light of men and the everlasting light of the future city. (John 1:4-9; Revelation 21:23)

    Jehovah is “the first and the last.” (Isaiah 44:6; 48:12) Jesus is the “first and the last.” (Revelation 1:17-18; 22:12-13, 20)

    Jehovah is the “Alpha and the Omega.” (Revelation 1:8; Revelation 21:6-7) Jesus is the “Alpha and the Omega.” (Revelation 22:12-13, 20)

    Jehovah’s title is “the Holy One.” (Isaiah 47:4) Jesus is “the Holy One.” (Acts 3:14; John 6:69)

    Jehovah is the “stumbling stone” of Israel. (Isaiah 8:13-15) Jesus is the “stumbling stone” of Israel. (1 Peter 2:6-8)

    John the Baptist was to prepare the way for Jehovah. (Isaiah 40:3) The Jehovah who came was Jesus. (Mark 1:1-4; John 1:6-7, 23)

    Jehovah is the one who was “pierced.” (Zechariah 12:10) 10. Jesus is the pierced Jehovah. (Rev. 1:7-8)

    The Jehovah who was sold for 30 pieces of silver (Zechariah 11:13) is Jesus. (Matthew 27:2-6)

    Jehovah is Lord of the elements. (Psalm 89:8-9) Jesus is Lord of the elements. (Matthew 8:26-27; John 2:7-9)

    Jehovah is the great Judge who gives life to whom he wishes and who renders to each man “according” to his “deeds.” (Psalm 98:9; Deuteronomy 32:39; Jeremiah 17:9-10) Jesus is the only judge who gives life to whom he wishes and renders to each man “according” to his “deeds.” (John 5:21-22; Revelation 2:18, 23)

    Jehovah is the only one who can forgive sins. (Mark 2:7; Daniel 9:9) Jesus forgives sins. (Mark 2:10-11; Luke 24:46-47)

    Jehovah is the great “shepherd” who leads his people to “the spring of the water of life.” (Psalm 23:1-2; Revelation 21:6-7) Jesus as the “shepherd” of His people, leads them “to springs of the water of life.” (John 10:11-18; Revelation 7:17) THERE IS ONLY ONE SHEPHERD—John 10:16.

    Jehovah is “Lord of Lords.” (Deuteronomy 10:17) Jesus is “Lord of Lords.” (Revelation 17:14; 19:16) The Father is Lord of all. (Matthew 11:25; Acts 17:24) Jesus is “Lord of all.” (Acts 10:36) THERE IS ONLY ONE LORD. (Jude 4)

    Jehovah is the Saviour. (Isaiah 45:21-22) Jesus is the Saviour. (Titus 2:13; 2 Peter 1:1) THERE IS ONLY ONE SAVIOUR. (Isaiah 43:11)

    Jehovah created the universe. (Psalm 102:25-27) Jesus created the universe. (John 1:3; Colossians 1:15-19; 11. Hebrews 1:10-12) 12. THERE IS ONLY ONE CREATOR. (Isaiah 44:24)

    Isaiah saw Jehovah. (Isaiah 6:1-5) The Jehovah that Isaiah saw was Jesus. (John 12:41)

    Could it be that Jehovah gave Jesus all these qualities, and therefore, Jesus is a “lesser God” under Jehovah? No! For Jehovah declares: “For I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is no one like Me.”—Isaiah 46:9

  • 2 years ago

    How will Christians "flip" that? You're making no sense.

    Source(s): Greek Orthodox Christian
  • User
    Lv 7
    2 years ago

    There is no need to flip

    and

    of course

    context is always - ALWAYS - important for accurate interpretation

    not only in the Bible

    but in ANY and ALL documents that are something more than a collection of unconnected statements.

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  • Anonymous
    2 years ago

    If God has not revealed the truth to you, sorry I can’t either.

    “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.” ~ Simon Peter

    Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven.”

    ....

    Then he ordered his disciples not to tell anyone that he was the Messiah.

  • ?
    Lv 7
    2 years ago

    You reference scripture, but "trinitarian" and "trinity" are not Bible terms. Why the blatant inconsistency? False premise is a common tactic.

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